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Balance Update 03-01-2020


Alexander

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Hi Pilots, 

We've prepared a balance update that will go live a bit over 2 hours from time of writing with the following changes:

Torsos

Windigo
Epic
base HP 309 -> 329
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 825
phys Res 22 -> 30

Naga
Epic
base HP 309 -> 329
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 825
phys Res 22 -> 30

Molten Platinum Vest
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 815
phys Res 44 -> 55

Lightning Platinum Vest
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 815
phys Res 44 -> 55

Nightmare
Epic
base HP 277 -> 297
Legendary
base HP 430 -> 490
Mythical
base HP 621 -> 775
phys Res 22 -> 30
Weapons

Frantic Brute
Epic
heat cost 18 -> 23
energy cost 4 -> 9
Legendary
heat cost 32 -> 42
energy cost 6 -> 16
Mythical
heat cost 50 -> 70
energy cost 10 -> 30
min damage 52 -> 152
max damage 482 -> 382
Frantic Flame
Mythical
min damage 58 -> 108
max damage 359 -> 309
Frantic Lightning
Mythical
min damage 58 -> 108
max damage 344 -> 294
Malice Beam
Legendary
energy damage 64 -> 74
Mythical
energy damage 94 -> 104
Drones

Swoop
Legendary
min damage 28 -> 33
max damage 45 -> 50
heat damage 30 -> 35
Mythical
min damage 42 -> 65
max damage 68 -> 91
heat damage 44 -> 70

Anguish
Legendary
energy damage 25 -> 23
energy regen damage 4 -> 5
weight 30 -> 28
Mythical
energy damage 36 -> 33
energy regen damage 7 -> 10
weight 30 -> 28

Thank you everyone for your patience with us! We hope this update will pave the way to a more balanced game where every item you get feels like it may be useful to you. We intend to update an additional 5-10 items late jan, with an internal deadline at mid feb. 

 

We'll evaluate this update in the next few weeks and apply any needed additional nerfs or buffs to these items based on that. Please keep in mind though, they are intended to be stronger than their former peers, the idea was to bring them up to the level of the very best items in the game right now, not to the level of the average item. The other items will get the same treatment over time. 

If it turns out they're still a class beneath the best items for their purpose, they'll receive another buff soon. If it turns out they completely replace the best items, they'll get a corrective nerf soon. They should be a choice, you should feel like you can build a top build with both these items and the current best items. The difference between premium and non premium items should exist, but not be so major as to make premiums not worth it. The difference between C-M and E-M should exist, but not be so major as to make a C-M lose every single matchup to an E-M. 

 

Hope that makes things clear!

 

As for the reasonings: 

Various torsos were buffed to account for the stronger physical drones, the larger HP going around the meta and the current meta dominance of the so-lovingly dubbed "Monkeys". More will follow. Thank you @Lord Gorgon and @SawzAll for creating in depth topics suggesting broad balance changes and more specific ones as well. 

Frantic Brute was reworked to be less random and have slightly more cost attached. The other frantics were made a bit less random but otherwise remain the same. Thank you everyone who suggested this on the old forums, some a little bit too passionate (*cough* lake *cough*) and of course the late besty. 

Malice Beam was given a slight buff as it was overshadowed by other items in its class. It should be roughly on par now. 

Swoop was given a large buff to make this "useless" drone into a heat-generating powerhouse for the right build. Make no mistake - it might not be targeting cooldown, but with the right setup, the little swoop is going to wreck some builds. Thank you @CyberRodrigo for shining a light on this item on the forum. 

Anguish was given a minor rework and buff to focus it on its unique selling point (hitting the energy regeneration) and make it feel a little more powerful. 

Thank you everyone for your countless suggestions, advices and opinions. I tried reading them all but it's hard sometimes.

Thank you to the Volunteer Balance Team for taking their time discussing it with us and helping us ( @Elcent and @CleverName with their Spreadsheet mumbo-jumbo, @Lord Gorgon for harsh opinions and @Purific, @MatiasKurt, @That1Guy, @DarkJailu, @Raul, @Fluffeh, @Zylok for valuable inputs, sorry if I forgot someone who contributed!)

 

We'll release the change on the countdown ends. Please forward it to your friends and please keep in mind that if you find something very OP about this, it probably won't last for very long. And if you find it's insufficient, there's a good chance we'll buff it again soon.

 

Good luck experimenting, pilots!

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Phys continues to be dominant.

With the new "anti-phys" torso, you will lose anyway, although fair that is, you will lose by less difference. The anti-phys torso will also leave less HP on your mech, so if you are a heat user (for example), you will be weaker compared to other heat and energy.

What you see in Arena is that trolling has increased considerably. Now there aren´t only the classic troll phys, but also troll energy and a kind of troll that was not very popular before, but is now more and more frequent: the heat troll (heat build that carry 1 or 2 weapons that need energy, but that carry very low energy level).

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The difference shows about Frantic, to the point that I think Frantic will disappear from the game. Frantic was never a problem on the high ranks. Of course it was annoying for some players in the middle ranks. But it´s a cheap weapon, relatively easy to obtain that greatly helped the f2p player who has no other means of obtaining Spartan. So the whole Frantic thing was a "poor versus poor" showdown and now everyone is left with nothing. I hope some of you will learn the lesson and be more united rather than against each other. Because when a f2p player faces another f2p, in the end they both lose and the one who wins is the p2w and the administration.

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THAT IS VERY GOOD BALANCED UPDATE . ALEX YOU SHOULD UPDATE MORE STAFFS . FOR EXAMPLE - GREEDY ( PHYS DRONE ) , LAZY FALCON (PHYS TW ) , ELECTROLYTE ( ENR DRONE ) , HALF BURNT SCOPE ( HEAT TW ) , ELECTROCUTED SCOPE ( ENR TW ) , GRIMREAPER ( ENR TORSO ) , SNACK ( ENR DRONE ) , CLASH ( HEAT DRONE ) , HURLBAT ( PHYS DRONE ) , TORMENT ( ENR DRONE ) , BLOODWEEP ( PHYS SW ) , PURIFER ( PHYS SW )  ETC

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On 1/3/2021 at 7:43 PM, Sparks said:

Thank you for balancing frantic 🙂

it is more like buffed than nerfed i think it does now min 250 damage and max 600 it is like even better now xd

 

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6 hours ago, Riham Gaming said:

THAT IS VERY GOOD BALANCED UPDATE . ALEX YOU SHOULD UPDATE MORE STAFFS . FOR EXAMPLE - GREEDY ( PHYS DRONE ) , LAZY FALCON (PHYS TW ) , ELECTROLYTE ( ENR DRONE ) , HALF BURNT SCOPE ( HEAT TW ) , ELECTROCUTED SCOPE ( ENR TW ) , GRIMREAPER ( ENR TORSO ) , SNACK ( ENR DRONE ) , CLASH ( HEAT DRONE ) , HURLBAT ( PHYS DRONE ) , TORMENT ( ENR DRONE ) , BLOODWEEP ( PHYS SW ) , PURIFER ( PHYS SW )  ETC

Dude, please turn off caps.

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6 hours ago, nightmarefreddy said:

ye, and sith should be buff, lazy falcon need a backfire nerf

I don't think Lazy Falcon needs a backfire nerf.
It has unlimited uses, and that's very good for a weapon that can do 1000 damage. When used wisely, It's a very good weapon.

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38 minutes ago, Zylok said:

I don't think Lazy Falcon needs a backfire nerf.
It has unlimited uses, and that's very good for a weapon that can do 1000 damage. When used wisely, It's a very good weapon.

The backfire is a bit much though, not worth the use. Falcon is simply much better. And most of the time you don't need to use scopes multiple times anyway, as the opponent will be either on low health or they'll stay out of scope range.

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Im quite glad that Swoop Drone got a good buff rather than having 59+ Explosive damage before...if I remembered correctly..

I'm super happy that Nightmare got a great HP Buff. Now Brutality...has lower HP than nightmare which is good for me. I love it...it's good..

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not bad item fault mortal 

 

brightroar or other jump and hit her makes = 2 push .

for example: torso 370 kg + leg 132 kg = 502 kg so sword 45 kg can lift and hit?

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On 1/8/2021 at 3:18 AM, Zylok said:

I don't think Lazy Falcon needs a backfire nerf.
It has unlimited uses, and that's very good for a weapon that can do 1000 damage. When used wisely, It's a very good weapon.

I think it's very useless, it have a huge of backfire and you will lost a lot of point by it you should watch this to know lazy falcon is trash and bad: 26:34

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On 1/8/2021 at 2:12 AM, Fusionnaire said:

Im quite glad that Swoop Drone got a good buff

I'm not really a fan of how much of a buff it received.  Now its damage to weight ratio is easily twice that of all other drones.

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Heat needs heat legs to advance 3 places.

For years we have claimed this and devs never heard us, Energy and Phys have it, why does heat only have a cart that doesn´t even reach legendary?

I'm tired of jumping like a hare with those absurd legs that only go 2 places?

I´ve thought about placing teleport, but I would have to change the torso (I´ve a free energy heat) and whether I want to place teleport or charge or hook, I will have to give up 300 HP points, which will make me cannon fodder for everyone.

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If you want any suggestions from me, what I suggest is that developers have accounts in the game and play (as they did before) and see the game from the inside and not be guided by opinions of players who compete with others and therefore are never disinterested.

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52 minutes ago, Nefertary Meriten-Mut said:

Heat needs heat legs to advance 3 places.

For years we have claimed this and devs never heard us, Energy and Phys have it, why does heat only have a cart that doesn´t even reach legendary?

I don't understand.  Do you mean you want decent treads like Sparked Runners?

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well for sure ,the new modules needs a nerf by having a weight increase and lower the energy cap and heat cap.  The avenger torso needs to have a buff .Avenger is just sad and lonely for the past 2 years

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