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Balance Update 03-01-2020


Alexander

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Hi Pilots, 

We've prepared a balance update that will go live a bit over 2 hours from time of writing with the following changes:

Torsos

Windigo
Epic
base HP 309 -> 329
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 825
phys Res 22 -> 30

Naga
Epic
base HP 309 -> 329
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 825
phys Res 22 -> 30

Molten Platinum Vest
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 815
phys Res 44 -> 55

Lightning Platinum Vest
Legendary
base HP 480 -> 580
Mythical
base HP 694 -> 815
phys Res 44 -> 55

Nightmare
Epic
base HP 277 -> 297
Legendary
base HP 430 -> 490
Mythical
base HP 621 -> 775
phys Res 22 -> 30
Weapons

Frantic Brute
Epic
heat cost 18 -> 23
energy cost 4 -> 9
Legendary
heat cost 32 -> 42
energy cost 6 -> 16
Mythical
heat cost 50 -> 70
energy cost 10 -> 30
min damage 52 -> 152
max damage 482 -> 382
Frantic Flame
Mythical
min damage 58 -> 108
max damage 359 -> 309
Frantic Lightning
Mythical
min damage 58 -> 108
max damage 344 -> 294
Malice Beam
Legendary
energy damage 64 -> 74
Mythical
energy damage 94 -> 104
Drones

Swoop
Legendary
min damage 28 -> 33
max damage 45 -> 50
heat damage 30 -> 35
Mythical
min damage 42 -> 65
max damage 68 -> 91
heat damage 44 -> 70

Anguish
Legendary
energy damage 25 -> 23
energy regen damage 4 -> 5
weight 30 -> 28
Mythical
energy damage 36 -> 33
energy regen damage 7 -> 10
weight 30 -> 28

Thank you everyone for your patience with us! We hope this update will pave the way to a more balanced game where every item you get feels like it may be useful to you. We intend to update an additional 5-10 items late jan, with an internal deadline at mid feb. 

 

We'll evaluate this update in the next few weeks and apply any needed additional nerfs or buffs to these items based on that. Please keep in mind though, they are intended to be stronger than their former peers, the idea was to bring them up to the level of the very best items in the game right now, not to the level of the average item. The other items will get the same treatment over time. 

If it turns out they're still a class beneath the best items for their purpose, they'll receive another buff soon. If it turns out they completely replace the best items, they'll get a corrective nerf soon. They should be a choice, you should feel like you can build a top build with both these items and the current best items. The difference between premium and non premium items should exist, but not be so major as to make premiums not worth it. The difference between C-M and E-M should exist, but not be so major as to make a C-M lose every single matchup to an E-M. 

 

Hope that makes things clear!

 

As for the reasonings: 

Various torsos were buffed to account for the stronger physical drones, the larger HP going around the meta and the current meta dominance of the so-lovingly dubbed "Monkeys". More will follow. Thank you @Lord Gorgon and @SawzAll for creating in depth topics suggesting broad balance changes and more specific ones as well. 

Frantic Brute was reworked to be less random and have slightly more cost attached. The other frantics were made a bit less random but otherwise remain the same. Thank you everyone who suggested this on the old forums, some a little bit too passionate (*cough* lake *cough*) and of course the late besty. 

Malice Beam was given a slight buff as it was overshadowed by other items in its class. It should be roughly on par now. 

Swoop was given a large buff to make this "useless" drone into a heat-generating powerhouse for the right build. Make no mistake - it might not be targeting cooldown, but with the right setup, the little swoop is going to wreck some builds. Thank you @CyberRodrigo for shining a light on this item on the forum. 

Anguish was given a minor rework and buff to focus it on its unique selling point (hitting the energy regeneration) and make it feel a little more powerful. 

Thank you everyone for your countless suggestions, advices and opinions. I tried reading them all but it's hard sometimes.

Thank you to the Volunteer Balance Team for taking their time discussing it with us and helping us ( @Elcent and @CleverName with their Spreadsheet mumbo-jumbo, @Lord Gorgon for harsh opinions and @Purific, @MatiasKurt, @That1Guy, @DarkJailu, @Raul, @Fluffeh, @Zylok for valuable inputs, sorry if I forgot someone who contributed!)

 

We'll release the change on the countdown ends. Please forward it to your friends and please keep in mind that if you find something very OP about this, it probably won't last for very long. And if you find it's insufficient, there's a good chance we'll buff it again soon.

 

Good luck experimenting, pilots!

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7 minutes ago, W.P.O.T.W said:

why was malice beam buffed and not hysteria alongside it? they had almost the same stats, just different range

Even with the buff Hysteria has a few advantages over Malice Beam - it's still the stronger weapon of the two, arguably. If it turns out hysteria needs a buff, it'll get one, eventually.

 

 

Also, general statement,

Please guys, stop going "why x not y" between weapons that aren't top of their class to begin with. The aim isn't to balance B-tier weapons with each other, we don't want the myth food you have to be balanced with each other. 

 

Simply put, currently, phys is meta and every type has a few weapons that are very good and a majority that are useless. Goal is to bring that useless majority up to par bit by bit while creating a meta where all types of builds are perfectly viable for #1. if you're going to compare items of that majority, we'll never get anywhere 😛

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Thank you @Alexander for the honorable mention.  I am humbled to have (hopefully) been a blessing to the game and the forum.  If I can ever be of service, please let me know.  Now that I have an energy-free armor, I won't constantly whine about not having a third monkey torso 😄 

They call me the king of the spreadsheets

Got them all printed out on my bedsheets

Edited by SawzAll (see edit history)
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With all the torso buffs, zarkares is powercrept and is no longer the best non premium torso.

Windigo is now much better than zark with less weight.

And now the vests with phys res module will have 160+ res.

I'm going to be honest, if you just keep buffing everything and don't nerf anything like the superb charge or premium heat+energy dual modules, you will have keep on continuing buffing everything, which makes the buff to the item itself obselete since everything will be powercrept and you will have to buff that item again.

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1 hour ago, Shoultz262 said:

you will have keep on continuing buffing everything

That's not true. They could stop right here and be fine. With all due respect, you don't know the future.

And given the presence of energy free armor in meta, with all due respect you are incorrect. EFA is the best non-monkey right now. I've got one and I'm upgrading it: an energy free mech is in my future.

14 minutes ago, iDaniRF said:

Friend you forgotten this item:

19 of cost for almost 300 of energy extraction

And only 2 uses.

With all due respect we can't keep pestering Gato Games every time we encounter an item in the arena that we don't like.

Now that frantic brute has been nerfed, with all due respect I think the weapons are fine. I don't think any more nerfing or buffing is required.

Edited by SawzAll (see edit history)
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7 minutes ago, SawzAll said:

That's not true. They could stop right here and be fine. With all due respect, you don't know the future.

And given the presence of energy free armor in meta, with all due respect you are incorrect. EFA is the best non-monkey right now. I've got one and I'm upgrading it: an energy free mech is in my future.

And only 2 uses.

With all due respect we can't keep pestering Gato Games every time we encounter an item in the arena that we don't like.

Now that frantic brute has been nerfed, with all due respect I think the weapons are fine. I don't think any more nerfing or buffing is required.

EFA is premium. And I won't bother talking about upc because you wouldn't get it anyway since you don't play top ranks.

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1 hour ago, Shoultz262 said:

EFA is premium. And I won't bother talking about upc because you wouldn't get it anyway since you don't play top ranks.

No, I totally get it.  I just don't think UPC needs to be nerfed because someone doesn't appreciate being hit with it.

I've faced a UPC wielder at my level.  The UPC rips through your energy capacity like a hot knife through butter.

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1 minute ago, SawzAll said:

No, I totally get it.  I just don't think UPC needs to be nerfed because someone doesn't appreciate being hit with it.

I've faced a UPC wielder at my level.  The UPC rips through your energy capacity like a hot knife through butter.

That's not the main advantage of upc, but ok.

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Stats for (new) Max Myth and Divine:

Windigo
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Naga
(don't have on hand atm)

Molten Platinum Vest
1716574134_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_51_13PM.png.d22db17fb7b5f430a0f496bdb6339a21.png

Lightning Platinum Vest
342351307_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_52_01PM.png.6ef11802e829eb88b3f7f46834e98312.png

Nightmare
768753877_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_52_51PM.png.27f01d7b7ffcd253792cf15c5213ee53.png

Frantic Brute
Divine only:

548094625_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_57_36PM.png.9d80edc0c1919aa2000a71520bbea329.png
 

Frantic Flame
470810955_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_54_08PM.png.7550c34434c3b14bba227edde7d562b5.png

Frantic Lightning
729204719_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_54_30PM.png.bbbc0b5ba276ec917a549b963e9226c0.png

Malice Beam
884199249_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_07PM.png.f83f874d6836eb8642c952d37efa084a.png

Swoop
1217477122_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_32PM.png.4e1d50a7a3956e66f0c44a10521ba9d1.png

Anguish
892933637_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_54PM.png.926ee9b3e33f05e561d7e2224c987961.png

 

Edited by CleverName (see edit history)
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Ring me anytime you need some kuntness.

Good update @Alexander. We will see some diversity i believe.

Way to go.

👍

2 minutes ago, CleverName said:

Stats for (new) Max Myth and Divine:

Windigo
(don't have on hand atm)

Naga
(don't have on hand atm)

Molten Platinum Vest
1716574134_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_51_13PM.png.d22db17fb7b5f430a0f496bdb6339a21.png

Lightning Platinum Vest
342351307_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_52_01PM.png.6ef11802e829eb88b3f7f46834e98312.png

Nightmare
768753877_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_52_51PM.png.27f01d7b7ffcd253792cf15c5213ee53.png

Frantic Brute
Divine only:

548094625_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_57_36PM.png.9d80edc0c1919aa2000a71520bbea329.png
 

Frantic Flame
470810955_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_54_08PM.png.7550c34434c3b14bba227edde7d562b5.png

Frantic Lightning
729204719_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_54_30PM.png.bbbc0b5ba276ec917a549b963e9226c0.png

Malice Beam
884199249_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_07PM.png.f83f874d6836eb8642c952d37efa084a.png

Swoop
1217477122_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_32PM.png.4e1d50a7a3956e66f0c44a10521ba9d1.png

Anguish
892933637_ScreenShot2021-01-03at10_55_54PM.png.926ee9b3e33f05e561d7e2224c987961.png

 

Here you go.

Screenshot_20210104-065948_Super Mechs.jpg

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Thank you, Jiyoon, CleverName, and Lordgorgon for posting those stats!

For the life of me, I couldn’t understand any of Alexander’s posted stats. Understandably, there are supposed to be core stats without the arena bonuses.

Side note: I totally forgot Windigo, and the Molten and Lightning Vests had the same HP. Haha!

By the way, rip Ricemech’s name... 💐

I suppose it’s finally time for Jiyoon to come out of the closet.

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Alexander, can I give a suggestion? Can you make the Frantic costs 40 energy and 40 heat because 70 heat is just too much and 30 energy is still low.. the suggestion is just for maintain stats. ( No bully please it's just a suggestion )

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4 minutes ago, HarizSharafuddin said:

Alexander, can I give a suggestion? Can you make the Frantic costs 40 energy and 40 heat because 70 heat is just too much and 30 energy is still low.. ( No bully please it's just a suggestion )

For you to gain visibility i advise you to make a thread in the "balance" section of the forums and make a suggestion following the template provided there. 

All adjustments made this time are going to be reevaluated by the team after sufficient time elapses and feedbacks are collected.

👍

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4 hours ago, Lord Gorgon said:

Ring me anytime you need some kuntness.

Good update @Alexander. We will see some diversity i believe.

Way to go.

👍

Here you go.

Screenshot_20210104-065948_Super Mechs.jpg

so windigo>zarkares now?

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