Alex2040bR Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen. Now GatoGames does nothing, why? repulsion elements In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone we turned our old items into Power Kits, but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them, a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items... I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled. Thanks for stopping by, greetings. Sincerely: alex2040br Edited June 20, 2021 by Alex2040bR (see edit history) Shared-NW, OKI DOKI and rc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shared-NW Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen. Now GatoGames does nothing, why? repulsion elements In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits, but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them, a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items... I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled. Thanks for stopping by, greetings. Sincerely: alex2040br totally agree! all legacy item must be removed from arena. rc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawzAll Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: Now GatoGames does nothing, why? Maybe because you had not brought this problem to their attention yet? You know, you tend to get more help when you try to avoid accusing them of things.... SonnY-ku and AftoKrator 2 "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." http://www.puresimplicity.net/~oneeyedcat/misc/supermechs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavke Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 35 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen. Now GatoGames does nothing, why? repulsion elements In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits, but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them, a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items... I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled. Thanks for stopping by, greetings. Sincerely: alex2040br No, Tacticsoft said that they will NEVER touch (balance) or remove legacy items from the game. Burn Baby Burn, AftoKrator, bestplayeroftheworld and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2040bR Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 They do not need to eliminate them, just ban them in the arena and raid, so that no one has advantages. So there are equal possibilities for everyone in general... rc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Alexander Posted June 19, 2021 Administrators Share Posted June 19, 2021 Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals? Asther, Obis, Ozen and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavke Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Alexander said: Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals? The second one. We didn't have an item portal in a very very long time... Alex2040bR, bestplayeroftheworld and AssClown 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zylok Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) There shouldn't be done anything to them, and just leave them as is. Legacy weapons only give an advantage in utility, not in damage or anything else. People who saved their Legacy weapons, or came back to the game later on are lucky for having kept them. They don't have a real advantage by using Legacy items from rank 10 onwards with the exception of about 5 items. Edited June 19, 2021 by Zylok (see edit history) Burn Baby Burn, AftoKrator, Atusiff and 4 others 6 1 Legacy Messiah | Reign Forever | Rejoined March 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnY-ku Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, Alexander said: Would the players prefer the full removal No pls 46 minutes ago, Alexander said: adding them to boxes or portals? If you mean giving these dying legacy items a second chance, then yes BossParodyOBLITERATED, bestplayeroftheworld, Trapper and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2040bR Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Zylok said: There shouldn't be done anything to them, and just leave them as is. Legacy weapons only give an advantage in utility, not in damage or anything else. People who saved their Legacy weapons, or came back to the game later on are lucky for having kept them. They don't have a real advantage by using Legacy items from rank 10 onwards with the exception of about 5 items. A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course The normal minimum weigh 11kg ... And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair... Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone. I could go on giving examples, but it is never ending. 1 hour ago, Alexander said: Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals? Only its use in sand or raid is canceled, nothing more.And if they launch again, that the old ones have the weight that corresponds, not featherweight.Thanks you rc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Alexander said: Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals? I strongly disagree with removing them. Adding more back... maybe, but they won't exactly be the same as the original legacy. Plus, for those remaining active legacy accounts, most of them don't do arena. (I've seen plenty of those). My legacy account does not use legacy items in arena.... there's no benefit (for most items) as dmg is the only thing people care about. Even the stats of legacy items aren't that good (namely cooling and regen). 2 hours ago, Alex2040bR said: Honest players disadvantage And what the heck does any of this have to do with "honesty"??? Just now, Alex2040bR said: featherweight featherweight is legit the ONLY thing still useful about legacy.... 99.99% of all legacy items have absolutely sh*t stats and dmg bestplayeroftheworld, Spam, Burn Baby Burn and 2 others 5 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2040bR Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, AftoKrator said: And what the heck does any of this have to do with "honesty"??? Equality, that everyone or no one uses it. rc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Here we are... talking about "equality" its like asking all weapons to only do exactly one damage point so there will be no such thing as RNG killing everyone. speaking of "equality", we should also make legendarys have a 100% drop rate so we can all be rank 1 it doesn't work like that.... there is not definite equality. Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history) bestplayeroftheworld, Burn Baby Burn, Zylok and 2 others 5 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2040bR Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, AftoKrator said: Here we are... talking about "equality" its like asking all weapons to only do exactly one damage point so there will be no such thing as RNG killing everyone. speaking of "equality", we should also make legendarys have a 100% drop rate so we can all be rank 1 it doesn't work like that.... there is not definite equality. Friend, you still don't understand. These items are no longer available, their weight is almost ZERO, and they make any new item work. They do not interfere directly, but indirectly, enhancing constructions Xynt and rc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 so basically... you're saying that you are getting "bullied" by legacy item users Mr Lord, Spam and Zylok 3 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zylok Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course The normal minimum weigh 11kg ... The teleporters cost way more energy, around 40-60 in some cases. So that is a big drawback 26 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair... Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone. Legacy repulsors cost energy, and only have 3 range with 4-5 push. This gives the same effect as an advanced repulsor at range 2-4 or an epic repulsor at range 2-4 So as you can see, every low weight and good use legacy weapon has big drawbacks which balance them. AftoKrator and SonnY-ku 2 Legacy Messiah | Reign Forever | Rejoined March 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavke Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said: A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course The normal minimum weigh 11kg ... And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair... Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone. I could go on giving examples, but it is never ending. Only its use in sand or raid is canceled, nothing more.And if they launch again, that the old ones have the weight that corresponds, not featherweight.Thanks you No, it's 20kg bestplayeroftheworld 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 from all i know (which is not much since my younger self converted most of my legacies).... the most featherweight utility is my double charge (fire tail) weighing 19kg with other sh*t stats (have both ene and heat cost and only 42 dmg) my double tele (lightning gate) weighs 25kg with 40 ene cost... bestplayeroftheworld 1 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC2A Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Nope Hcaptcha scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddiwomple Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 The best approach imo is to simply make these items obsolete, either by introducing new items or retroactively nerfing them (like the 1 kg teleport nerf). I personally favor the former. The main problem with legacy items in reloaded is how they can provide niche utilities, most notably the repulsers (e.g. Bully, etc.) and lightweight legs (e.g. Surfboard, Rolin, etc.) that other items can’t provide. Alex2040bR 1 Going nowhere with all the intent and purpose of going somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Coddiwomple said: simply make these items obsolete they're already obsolete plus, as @Zylok mentioned earlier, the legacy repulsers have the same effect as the reloaded ones. also, featherweight legs are sh*t when it comes to HP. Compared to reloaded legs with 500 hp, most legacy legs only have around 1/10th of that number. Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history) Spam 1 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrMachine Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Legacy teleport has been nerfed to 20kg. Repair drone has also been banned from arena and raid. Legacy players had their inventory completely invalidated by reloaded, which in my opinion was the greatest atrocity committed here. The least you can do is allow them to use a few niche items that they rightfully earned. Take a look at the overwhelming majority of top ranks (over 99%), and consider reevaluating your statement on how good legacy items actually are. Best play here is to keep the system the way it is. AssClown, Ozen, AftoKrator and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) dont forget the shields.... they're also banned from arena and raid 4 hours ago, Alex2040bR said: In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits, for a more convincing statement (not that i am on your side for this topic), put caps on "almost" not "everyone" Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history) Alex2040bR 1 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 They're so useful that they're hardly seen in higher ranks, stop being jealous people played in legacy and kept some of their items that they deemed may be useful. People will find anything to complain about lmao bestplayeroftheworld, AftoKrator, Mr Lord and 2 others 5 I'm the real Turtle, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AftoKrator Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Alex2040bR said: In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone we turned our old items into Power Kits, still doesn't make grammar sense ... "it should say "In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone turned their old items into... " 1 minute ago, Turtle said: kept some of their items that they deemed may be useful. yup, especially the double charge and double grapple (did that exist... i can't remember) OKI DOKI and Alex2040bR 2 Discord: Aftokrator#9688 DeviantArt: Azorsia05 User Profile | DeviantArt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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