Honest players disadvantage

[Alex2040bR]

Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft
that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen.
Now GatoGames does nothing, why?
 

      repulsion elements      

In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone we turned our old items into Power Kits,
but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them,
a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items...

I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done
about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled.

Thanks for stopping by, greetings.

Sincerely: alex2040br

Edited June 20, 2021 by Alex2040bR (see edit history)

[Shared-NW]

2 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft
that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen.
Now GatoGames does nothing, why?
 

      repulsion elements      

In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits,
but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them,
a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items...

I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done
about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled.

Thanks for stopping by, greetings.

Sincerely: alex2040br

totally agree!

all legacy item must be removed from arena.

[SawzAll]

16 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

Now GatoGames does nothing, why?

Maybe because you had not brought this problem to their attention yet?

You know, you tend to get more help when you try to avoid accusing them of things....

[Pavke]

35 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

Hello everyone, it had been commented from TacticSoft
that old elements would be removed from the arena, in the end it did not happen.
Now GatoGames does nothing, why?
 

      repulsion elements      

In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits,
but then other players with revived old accounts appeared and used them,
a dirty move because of the difference in weight of the items...

I leave the space open for your comments, and I hope that something will be done
about it so that the use of old items that only a few players have is canceled.

Thanks for stopping by, greetings.

Sincerely: alex2040br

No, Tacticsoft said that they will NEVER touch (balance) or remove legacy items from the game.

[Alex2040bR]

They do not need to eliminate them, just ban them in the arena and raid,
so that no one has advantages. So there are equal possibilities for everyone in general...

[Alexander]

Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals?

[Pavke]

11 minutes ago, Alexander said:

Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals?

The second one. We didn't have an item portal in a very very long time...

[Zylok]

There shouldn't be done anything to them, and just leave them as is.

Legacy weapons only give an advantage in utility, not in damage or anything else.

People who saved their Legacy weapons, or came back to the game later on are lucky for having kept them.

They don't have a real advantage by using Legacy items from rank 10 onwards with the exception of about 5 items.

Edited June 19, 2021 by Zylok (see edit history)

[SonnY-ku]

44 minutes ago, Alexander said:

Would the players prefer the full removal 

No pls

 

46 minutes ago, Alexander said:

adding them to boxes or portals?

If you mean giving these dying legacy items a second chance, then yes

[Alex2040bR]

1 hour ago, Zylok said:

There shouldn't be done anything to them, and just leave them as is.

Legacy weapons only give an advantage in utility, not in damage or anything else.

People who saved their Legacy weapons, or came back to the game later on are lucky for having kept them.

They don't have a real advantage by using Legacy items from rank 10 onwards with the exception of about 5 items.

A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course
The normal minimum weigh 11kg ...

And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair...
Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone.

I could go on giving examples, but it is never ending.
 

1 hour ago, Alexander said:

Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals?

Only its use in sand or raid is canceled, nothing more.
And if they launch again, that the old ones have the weight that corresponds, not featherweight.
Thanks you

[AftoKrator]

1 hour ago, Alexander said:

Would the players prefer the full removal over adding them to boxes or portals?

I strongly disagree with removing them. Adding more back... maybe, but they won't exactly be the same as the original legacy. 

Plus, for those remaining active legacy accounts, most of them don't do arena. (I've seen plenty of those). 

My legacy account does not use legacy items in arena.... there's no benefit (for most items) as dmg is the only thing people care about. Even the stats of legacy items aren't that good (namely cooling and regen). 

 

2 hours ago, Alex2040bR said:

Honest players disadvantage

And what the heck does any of this have to do with "honesty"??? 

Just now, Alex2040bR said:

featherweight

featherweight is legit the ONLY thing still useful about legacy.... 99.99% of all legacy items have absolutely sh*t stats and dmg

[Alex2040bR]

3 minutes ago, AftoKrator said:

And what the heck does any of this have to do with "honesty"??? 

Equality, that everyone or no one uses it.

[AftoKrator]

Here we are... talking about "equality" 

its like asking all weapons to only do exactly one damage point so there will be no such thing as RNG killing everyone. 

speaking of "equality", we should also make legendarys have a 100% drop rate so we can all be rank 1

it doesn't work like that.... there is not definite equality.

Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history)

[Alex2040bR]

14 minutes ago, AftoKrator said:

Here we are... talking about "equality" 

its like asking all weapons to only do exactly one damage point so there will be no such thing as RNG killing everyone. 

speaking of "equality", we should also make legendarys have a 100% drop rate so we can all be rank 1

it doesn't work like that.... there is not definite equality.

Friend, you still don't understand.
These items are no longer available, their weight is almost ZERO, and they make any new item work.
They do not interfere directly, but indirectly, enhancing constructions

[AftoKrator]

so basically... you're saying that you are getting "bullied" by legacy item users

[Zylok]

25 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course
The normal minimum weigh 11kg ...

The teleporters cost way more energy, around 40-60 in some cases. So that is a big drawback

26 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair...
Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone.

Legacy repulsors cost energy, and only have 3 range with 4-5 push. This gives the same effect as an advanced repulsor at range 2-4 or an epic repulsor at range 2-4

So as you can see, every low weight and good use legacy weapon has big drawbacks which balance them.

[Pavke]

33 minutes ago, Alex2040bR said:

A clear example is the teleporter, the old one barely weighs 1kg. That is not advantage in a construction? Yes of course
The normal minimum weigh 11kg ...

And the repulsors that push at least 5 places, weigh little, if combined with top rifle's... Uff, they do not give any opportunity to those of rank 3 and below, it is totally unfair...
Not to mention if they also use the Shockwave or FlameWave drone.

I could go on giving examples, but it is never ending.
 

Only its use in sand or raid is canceled, nothing more.
And if they launch again, that the old ones have the weight that corresponds, not featherweight.
Thanks you

No, it's 20kg

[AftoKrator]

from all i know (which is not much since my younger self converted most of my legacies)....

the most featherweight utility is my double charge (fire tail) weighing 19kg with other sh*t stats (have both ene and heat cost and only 42 dmg)

my double tele (lightning gate) weighs 25kg with 40 ene cost... 

[SC2A]

Nope

[Coddiwomple]

The best approach imo is to simply make these items obsolete, either by introducing new items or retroactively nerfing them (like the 1 kg teleport nerf). I personally favor the former.

The main problem with legacy items in reloaded is how they can provide niche utilities, most notably the repulsers (e.g. Bully, etc.) and lightweight legs (e.g. Surfboard, Rolin, etc.) that other items can’t provide.

[AftoKrator]

9 minutes ago, Coddiwomple said:

simply make these items obsolete

they're already obsolete

plus, as @Zylok mentioned earlier, the legacy repulsers have the same effect as the reloaded ones. also, featherweight legs are sh*t when it comes to HP. Compared to reloaded legs with 500 hp, most legacy legs only have around 1/10th of that number. 

Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history)

[WarrMachine]

Legacy teleport has been nerfed to 20kg. Repair drone has also been banned from arena and raid. 

Legacy players had their inventory completely invalidated by reloaded, which in my opinion was the greatest atrocity committed here. The least you can do is allow them to use a few niche items that they rightfully earned. Take a look at the overwhelming majority of top ranks (over 99%), and consider reevaluating your statement on how good legacy items actually are. Best play here is to keep the system the way it is.

[AftoKrator]

dont forget the shields.... they're also banned from arena and raid

4 hours ago, Alex2040bR said:

In the big 2017 update almost EVERYONE we turned our old items into Power Kits,

for a more convincing statement (not that i am on your side for this topic), put caps on "almost" not "everyone" 

Edited June 20, 2021 by AftoKrator (see edit history)

[Turtle]

They're so useful that they're hardly seen in higher ranks, stop being jealous people played in legacy and kept some of their items that they deemed may be useful. 

People will find anything to complain about lmao

[AftoKrator]

4 hours ago, Alex2040bR said:

In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone we turned our old items into Power Kits,

still doesn't make grammar sense ... "it should say "In the big 2017 update ALMOST everyone turned their old items into... "

1 minute ago, Turtle said:

kept some of their items that they deemed may be useful. 

yup, especially the double charge and double grapple (did that exist... i can't remember)