Change Suggestion: Valiant Sniper

[Elcent]

The Valliant Sniper is probably one of the most powerful energy weapons in the game however I fear it actually does its job too well leading to players stacking too much energy to play against it or avoiding energy mechs completely. 

 

I would like to propose that the valiant sniper has its energy damage nerfed and regeneration damage increased. This would result in delaying the 0 energy hit making it more viable to play against the valiant without making the valiant too weak. 

 

• Nerf Energy damage 240 -> 210
• Buff Regeneration damage 13 -> 25
• Buff electrical damage  160 - 232 -> 220 - 320 

 

[Lord Gorgon]

I disagree, it is the best (1 of) item of a dying type. Nerfing it would just throe elec type to oblivion.

 

[Mechzilla]

5 hours ago, Elcent said:

The Valliant Sniper is probably one of the most powerful energy weapons in the game however I fear it actually does its job too well leading to players stacking too much energy to play against it or avoiding energy mechs completely. 

 

I would like to propose that the valiant sniper has its energy damage nerfed and regeneration damage increased. This would result in delaying the 0 energy hit making it more viable to play against the valiant without making the valiant too weak. 

 

• Nerf Energy damage 240 -> 210
• Buff Regeneration damage 13 -> 25
• Buff electrical damage  160 - 232 -> 220 - 320 

 

Without more damage to overcome 90 electric resistance, it’s still going to be relatively ineffective vs almost energy free meta phys. Great idea though. I like the direction. 

 

[Shoultz262]

Valiant sniper isn't that good anymore. UPC replaces it now. As a dual valiant user myself, the only thing it has really going for it is drain and resist drain. It has very low damage and only 2 uses. I still can't beat most energy free physical mechs, so I see don't how it needs a nerf. It was already nerfed once before. Plus, energy is dead in the current meta, there's no need to make energy more useless in top ranks. If anything, nerf upc instead.

 

Besides, valiant was always meant to be a low damage high drainer, your changes basically made it less unique.

Edited January 6, 2021 by Shoultz262 (see edit history)

[BossParodyOBLITERATED]

I disagree mainly because energy has already become weak enough. With the current meta build (and variations) being energy free I feel that energy needs more help than ever, and I’d even suggest buffing some energy items to make it competitive like phys again. (I’m not necessarily suggesting buffing vals, I think that they are fine right now)

[CleverName]

I think Valiant Sniper is fine as is. I believe most players play it for the energy drain component (versus damage - although that can do quite well if opponent is fully drained). With that being said, the proposed changes I think are too drastic (of a buff) for Valiant. 

13 hours ago, Elcent said:

• Nerf Energy damage 240 -> 210
• Buff Regeneration damage 13 -> 25
• Buff electrical damage  160 - 232 -> 220 - 320 

(This "nerf" seems like a "buff" to me.)

For the trade of -30 energy damage in exchange for +12 regen damage and +60/88 electric damage (!!), I think the new Valiant would both be strong in energy damage, regen damage, and electrical damage. Additionally, the 12 regen damage somewhat has a "breakeven" point of ~3 turns (12*3 = 36 which is a bit more than 30 damage missed). So assuming Valiant is used and the match lasts more than 3 turns, the -30 energy damage with +12 regen damage generally results in net positive for the Valiant owner from original version. Plus, you don't even need to drain the opponent to do increased damage; as it's already raw damage (electric damage). I think the effect this change would have would make Valiant way too strong.

Perhaps a buff may be needed for Valiant (a very very small one), but I can't support OP's proposed changes. =P

 

[Shoultz262]

5 minutes ago, CleverName said:

I think Valiant Sniper is fine as is. I believe most players play it for the energy drain component (versus damage - although that can do quite well if opponent is fully drained). With that being said, the proposed changes I think are too drastic (of a buff) for Valiant. 

(This "nerf" seems like a "buff" to me.)

For the trade of -30 energy damage in exchange for +12 regen damage and +60/88 electric damage (!!), I think the new Valiant would both be strong in energy damage, regen damage, and electrical damage. Additionally, the 12 regen damage somewhat has a "breakeven" point of ~3 turns (12*3 = 36 which is a bit more than 30 damage missed). So assuming Valiant is used and the match lasts more than 3 turns, the -30 energy damage with +12 regen damage generally results in net positive for the Valiant owner from original version. Plus, you don't even need to drain the opponent to do increased damage; as it's already raw damage (electric damage). I think the effect this change would have would make Valiant way too strong.

Perhaps a buff may be needed for Valiant (a very very small one), but I can't support OP's proposed changes. =P

 

I agree, valiant was always supposed to be a low damage high drain weapon. If you're going to buff the weapon, buff it in all aspects, even if it's a small buff. Otherwise, I think valiant sniper is fine as it is. Even if the suggested change gives it higher damage, that lowered drain can make a huge difference in battle, so I don't support the change as well.

[bumbum]

If you nerf energy weapon, energy-free physc mech will be more harder to kill, i disagree.

[Kurt]

as said above, its an energy drain weapon, not a damage weapon. why would it decrease 17 armor? i think 17 is a bit much

[BossParodyOBLITERATED]

2 minutes ago, MatiasKurt said:

as said above, its an energy drain weapon, not a damage weapon. why would it decrease 17 armor? i think 17 is a bit much

Once you run energy against a 4K phys mech you wont say that that 17 armour break is a lot my friend

[Kurt]

4k phys mech annihilates any mech

[BossParodyOBLITERATED]

1 minute ago, MatiasKurt said:

4k phys mech annihilates any mech

Not a 4.2k phys mech

[AEROST]

Buff valiant sniper get op again

 

20 hours ago, Elcent said:

• Nerf Energy hasarı 240 -> 210
• Buff Yenilenme hasarı 13 -> 25
• Buff elektrik hasarı 160-232 -> 220-320 

I think these statistics are pretty good, do this

[R.I.C.O]

Valiant needs a buff i guess. Seeing nowday new meta makes it unsefull to be used at top rank. I had pack of divined item of energy weapon including vals and his buddies, but now i'm suffering from top rank and throwing everything out. Rounded energy mech has 2.5 k HP including its weapon packed such as the good one bunkershell and it's clearly dissadvantage facing neither rounded phy mech or free en phy mech. You want be able to endure more than 5 turn

Edited December 20, 2020 by R.I.C.O (see edit history)

[BossParodyOBLITERATED]

39 minutes ago, R.I.C.O said:

Valiant needs a buff i guess. Seeing nowday new meta makes it unsefull to be used at top rank. I had pack of divined item of energy weapon including vals and his buddies, but now i'm suffering from top rank and throwing everything out. Rounded energy mech has 2.5 k HP including its weapon packed such as the good one bunkershell and it's clearly dissadvantage facing neither rounded phy mech or free en phy mech. You want be able to endure more than 5 turn

You could try a higher hp variation. Typically I use something like this for 1v1 and it works quite well. I’m not sure what val weight is like but I use a mortal because I don’t have one. 

[AnonymousDemon]

On 12/19/2020 at 2:11 PM, MatiasKurt said:

4k phys mech annihilates any mech

Dead against boilers lmao

 

[AEROST]

On 18.12.2020 at 16:34, Elcent said:

• Nerf Energy hasarı 240 -> 210
• Buff Yenilenme hasarı 13 -> 25
• Buff elektrik hasarı 160-232 -> 220-320 

buff energy damage 250
buff regen damage 20
buff electrical damage 180 260

a little buff to all

[Liam.M.Lucas_2020]

HEllllllllll noe.

 

I think the dual valiants are cancer enough.

[AEROST]

I do not think 

I duplicated a little, I only got 2 shots right 

Is it better if we make each weapon look alike?

[Shoultz262]

29 minutes ago, Liam.M.Lucas_2020 said:

HEllllllllll noe.

 

I think the dual valiants are cancer enough.

Cancer? Do you even play dual valiant? It's only really good if your enemy is dumb and doesn't know how to avoid it. And it's not broken like upc either.

[Liam.M.Lucas_2020]

3 minutes ago, Shoultz262 said:

Cancer? Do you even play dual valiant? It's only really good if your enemy is dumb and doesn't know how to avoid it. And it's not broken like upc either.

I'm not even gonna start another thing with you. Because you know what you're right, the only cancer thing is tryna talk to you. The polls have spoken anyways. This isn't happening so i'm not gonna waste my time any longer on this topic.

 

And would you look at that, you have a dual valiant as a pfp and want the valiant to be buffed. HHHmMMMMMmMMmMmM 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Liam.M.Lucas_2020 (see edit history)

[Shoultz262]

Ok then. Whatever. 

4 minutes ago, Liam.M.Lucas_2020 said:

I'm not even gonna start another thing with you. Because you know what you're right, the only cancer thing is tryna talk to you. The polls have spoken anyways. This isn't happening so i'm not gonna waste my time any longer on this topic.

 

And would you look at that, you have a dual valiant as a pfp and want the valiant to be buffed. HHHmMMMMMmMMmMmM 

I never said I wanted a buff to valiant, if you read my posts here you would know. A small buff would be appreciated, but it doesn't really need one.

Stop assuming things and read more.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Shoultz262 (see edit history)

[Liam.M.Lucas_2020]

Then why are you posting on a valiant change thread complaining about how bad it is.

[Shoultz262]

I never said it was bad, you said it was cancer I said that it isn't. It's not broken.

Show me where I said valiant was bad.

Just stop assuming things.

[Liam.M.Lucas_2020]

10 minutes ago, Shoultz262 said:

It's only really good if your enemy is dumb

Doesn't sound like you think it's the best thing to ever happen to energy mechs either buddy.