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I'll try to make this simple enough for you to understand: You're necroposting/necro-replying, so I reported this, along with your toxicity. I proved that 40 was enough. I am trained at the masters degree level on how to conduct proper research. I proved everyone wrong the last time and this time. Notice that the percentage of change in results was well within scientific accuracy levels that demand 5% (at least). Please refrain from replying on things you don't have formal training on and/or do not understand. You don't know anything for a fact when it comes to this specific topic because you have not posted your own research. That's why I conducted research: I wanted to know the drop rates. But I used several people to research it together because just using my own luck would make this research ineffective. Again, proper research methods. You just got done being owned on the META topic because you don't know what you're talking about. Please change your methods and habits so that you stop putting your foot in your mouth. I'll go back to ignoring you. But to the moderators, I ask: please change how it works so that when I block someone, it doesn't show that they even exist or reply to topics. Because it's this type of behavior that makes me reluctant to even come on here due to the high levels of toxicity and the low signal-to-noise ratio.

ping sent, please DM me on discord, and thanks for your help! yeah if someone asked me to submit scope META i wouldn't know how to do it. and i'm also not rank 1.

Good job, mate. Just keep in mind that only other rank 1 players are "worthy" to submit changes, and you, as a rank 1 player, ultimately determine what your listing will contain. For example, the person I blocked in this thread, they're not rank 1 (they won't answer, so that's probably why) and their builds aren't worth including so far. Thanks for at least being humble enough to admit you might not know. We don't know for sure if their build is just a "display build" or one they actually use, but thanks for your submission. I'm sure ZeRo will look at it in a minute.

Yeah and that's one flaw in CleverName's META listings I plan to correct. Here, by the way, are the long awaited LG 3v3 heat mech teams (two of them). I have LG's permission.

This is from an official college test I took today, to accomplish an assignment. I've taken the MBTI before and gotten ENTP, but usually ENTJ. Keep in mind MBTI results are your personality preference, meaning you can "change" personalities from day to day. And it's not a strict science: MBTI is slightly weak on test-retest reliability due to what it measures.

I tend to get ENTJ (commander) and ENTP (debater). But I've taken the official MBTI test through college and I'm trained on personality tests. The MBTI is nice but it's not 100% perfect/scientific. See also the Big Five test. Also, the fewer questions on an online test, usually (but not always) the less accurate it will be.

I blocked him yesterday LOL you might benefit from doing the same. He won't answer rank questions, and I think that's probably the most telling issue. While the arena and this game are rather random, arena rank can and does indicate experience. I mean, I fought Mechzilla yesterday at rank 3 due to a random match-up, so I wouldn't say Mechzilla is suddenly a rank 3 player, because I pay attention to the leader boards. Rank doesn't make someone right, but it's a huge factor that indicates whether someone's opinion is probably trustworthy. So just do what I did: block him. Then maybe 3-6 months down the road, unblock, if you're bored.

Well, that's the whole point of some people putting heat legs on all their mechs. I don't. I put the legs of the type the mech is when I'm fighting in the arena, because if I end up having to stomp for whatever reason, I want the damage to synergize with what type resistance I've been draining. So if I'm using a physical jumper and I reduce their resistance from 180 to 60, and then as we're fighting it keeps being reduced and then somehow I end up needing to stomp, my stomp will be fighting like 20-30 res or whatever. If my legs are heat and they still have like 120+ heat res because I didn't drain their heat res (physical jumper), I'm fighting against 120 heat res when I stomp, which could cost me a game. Don't get me wrong, Pavke, I know you're a rank 1 player and (if I had to guess) you are more correct than I am. But I just don't do the heat legs. Still, you are correct and that's why heat legs are used. And I understand why. But seeing as rank 1 players put this list together, I wasn't going to argue against them. Heat legs on everything just isn't me. It's a valid tactic, it's just not me.

Between you and @Frero I think we can discuss this politely (like we're already doing). If you don't mind me philosophizing as a rank 2 player: This is an RNG game so no matter how much inventory you have and how upgraded, you can have bad RNG days. So I think it's more important in general to provide builds that top 10 players have used to get to the top 10. We can all quibble about modules and how we would do things, and that's fine. But I think the standard should be whether you've made it to top 10 with the build. We cannot all be CleverName. Hence I say we cut ZeRo some slack because he doesn't have mountains of ascension relics. He has made it legitimately (without boosting) to the top player slot in the game, and is consistently rank 1, if not in the top 10. He's been playing this game a very long time. In an RNG game, we compensate for the RNG by maxing out our weapons to divine as much as we can, etc. Anything we build and test in WU is max/divine, hence to a point the only way to know is to do real world in-game testing. But since the game is RNG-based, that testing is not 100% scientific/mathematical, in the sense that you don't always get the average, nor the max or min, damage from things. So this isn't 2+2=4, this is more like a bunch of RNG calls done by the SM server to calculate how much of a smack-down you put on people. So, therefore, I suggest: The META is a philosophy more than a math or a science. It should, in my opinion, be a list of mechs that have made it into the top 10 player list in 1v1 (only because CleverName's list was usually more 1v1 based). I want to add 3v3 and add LG's builds because his 3v3 heat teams are legendary. I have them already in pictures. And I watched ZeRo and Rambo do a TON of research and consult with MANY top 10 and rank 1 players to give us this product. Maybe it's not perfect, but it's impossible (due to RNG) for the META listing to be 100% perfect. And even with CleverName's listing, there were always people who said he was wrong, said he could do things better, or even said they could put out a better listing. (Most notably LG, who says that now to ZeRo, and said that to CleverName, etc.) So while I do admit that I may have been wrong to vent on that n00b, I think in this case I asked the n00b to stop and they didn't, so I had it out, but that's not because ZeRo is my boyfriend or something. I'm not simping. Instead, it's because I watched him do tons of work (and Rambo). And I don't like it when some butthole (whoever I blocked, forgot them) poops on something that someone is doing to help the community. Yes, I am censoring myself: I have to remember this is a 13+ yr old forum (last I checked) and that last time I went full military insult mode I got banned. (it wasn't in here) No, not you. You're not the jerk. It was whoever I blocked. But still, it's their first META release, so I say we should at least cut them some slack.

Very good point!

I know ZeRo's stuff isn't 100% perfect but it's a lot better than no META list. I just felt like having some fun venting on that other jerk. Don't bother with LG. He complains about the META listing every time. Even when some of his builds are included.

Lol you're funny. You post a garbage build, insisting it needs to be on the new META, and when someone tells you it's garbage you just get upset. Even in my most toxic new player days, I never replied to a META topic made by A RANK 1 TOP 10 PLAYER to insist my garbage build needs to be meta. And your insults don't even phase me either. Not like I care. Your persona on here is literally a waste of time. I'm probably higher in rank than you (probably in both my accounts) and I know better than to tell someone like Zero, with more rank, medals, and experience than me, that I'm right and he's wrong. So I'm going to block you now because you can't learn when to shut up. Even writing this is a waste of time. You say you're not going to put out a meta listing but you include mechs. I'm not sure what you're up to. Is this jealousy? Or are you trying to contribute? And honestly why would zeros medals matter for this project if he has people with solo medals collaborating with him on this listing? Is this just more of the same toxicity that is characteristic of this forum?

Nonsense. Please shut your butt cheeks, because you're talking out your but, and it smells horrible. Mechzilla's off handed remark in discord about how horrible that build is, that's enough for me to know you don't know what you're talking about. I ignored the rest of your reply. Another reply and I'll just block you because I don't have time for this. But by all means, if you want to make yourself look worse, keep talking. I won't hold you back from your folly. Because in this game, focusing your time and resources in items that matter in terms of META can help people get to top ranks faster. It already takes a very long time as is. META provides a service to the community. I had created a middle ranks "meta" read in the past. You can search it and find it. Lots of good non-premium builds that can give some premium builds a run for their money. And just minutes ago you were saying your ugly horrible build needs to be on the meta, hence you essentially asked for another listing. Please make up your mind and (again) close your legs.

First of all, I said META. What you posted is not current META and ironically my comments on your garbage came from Mechzilla. Posting something from 2020 and claiming it's current META? Get that krap out of here. Zero made this. And he just made top player in this game. He knows what he's talking about. You need to learn when to stop replying. I'm just the messenger. The META changes. Things that were META last year sometimes are no longer effective. And what's annoying me is you come on here like you know stuff. And you don't even know how to interact with people, much less you don't know the META either. What you should've done is politely asked Zero, who could then tell you WHY that build doesn't work any more. Instead you acted like you're a current top ten player. Learn when to speak and when not to. They stopped being used because 1 the META changes and 2 CleverName became increasingly out of touch with what ACTUALLY works in the arena as his boosting increased. At least that's my opinion as a rank 2. Let's ask the rank 1 players.

The first one, recoiler plus malice plus valiant plus OEMP, has a range problem. And OEMP doesn't equalize all fights. Top ranks are very energy free. I know Zero ran that for a while, and he's a genius, but for the rest of us mere mortals, I don't like it. I don't want to have to move backwards if stuck at range 3 without a second shot, that's just me. But I'm not a rank 1 player like Zero. Also, I don't like Nightmare for energy builds. LG might disagree with me but I say nightmare has sightly weak energy stats. LPV might be better for that first mech.

Thanks LG, and I have your famous 3v3 teams, those should get Incorporated on the next META they put out, hopefully. I always felt the META needed some info about teams, not just stuff that works in 1v1. Yeah get that out of here. The stats are so horrible. Heat and energy mechs will destroy that. That's a counter, not META, and not even a good counter at that....

We will consider it. But understand that the META listing has been, traditionally, mech builds capable of reaching top ten player status. And we can't include literally every mech that achieved rank 1: the list would be way too long. Negative. ZeRo and Rambo, along with the rank 1 players of Reign, did lots of research. Your negative comment is no different than those who said CleverName's list was bad. (They were wrong then and they're wrong now.) It's been almost a year since CleverName put out a listing. He left the game. ZeRo and Rambo stepped in to take it over. They deserve our gratitude and respect for this action alone. So first off, unless you are a rank 1 player AND you consulted with LOTS of rank 1 players (some of which regularly end up in top ten status), you've got nothing. I don't know what rank you are, but really, I could care less at this point. Second, where's your meta listing? If you care so much, put out your own. Third, if you want to help, don't be disrespectful. All you end up doing with comments like this is discouraging people who apparently care more about the game and those playing it than you, because they put out a listing. All I did was post what they made because I was there watching them consult with top ten players and with hard to put out the best product they could to help as many people as possible. So yeah, your comments are unhelpful and disrespectful. Further disrespect like this will result in me reporting your comments. And they didn't just take CleverName's builds. Some if those builds are still META. That's why they're still in the META listing, duh. Did you accuse CleverName of copying his own META listing?

If you ever want to come back to SM, just let me know, you're always welcome in NWC.

It's not. Physical jumper has fallen out of favor (as configured by him), per rank 1 players I'm speaking with. I have edited the topic and meta listing to reflect 2021.

That wouldn't be META then. It would be middle ranks

It is my honor to post this on behalf of @ZeRo_ and @Rambo Gaming YT. This is the META listing for 2021. They have had multiple high rank players weigh in and assist them, such as @Mechzilla and @Malthael. I have complete confidence that this listing is equal to or exceeds the quality put forth formerly by CleverName. Noble Warriors Clan was glad to provide a little assistance, and I was glad to see Reign Forever and Reign Reforged also lend their aid. This listing is legit. https://super-mechs.fandom.com/wiki/META_listing_2021 EDIT: this is technically a rough draft, I am being told. Also, note that @PaintedAshwithSnow and @TaediumVitae helped with the listing. I forgot to mention them.

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It's a "come hang out with our clan and we'll help you" thing. It's like online coaching.

Borderlands 3.