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I respectfully disagree with anyone who says there's only one real solution.  There are many different potential solutions.
I'm not saying you aren't welcome to share your opinion.  If anything, I'm encouraging everyone to share their opinion.
But I don't think there's any solution that is the only solution.  I think there are multiple potential solutions, and Gato Games will decide which is the best.

Only real solution to balance out would be to add weight on overpowered items as well as to remove the weight override.
450+ phys items that weight like a feather and that consume no energy, its way to easy to fit those on 4khp all resed mechs. Put 3 plates, 3 of those new hp/res, 2 new elec/heat boosters, literally put whatever energy free phys weaponery on top: tada, you are now a top player, very difficult.
Even nerfing those weapons by 100dmg wouldnt change much.
Fyi, tuning the weight isnt something that Gato is willing to do, "people would have to change their builds". (Fack yeah they would).
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Alexander sees things on here.  I'll let him make the decision.  I think forwarding it to him might be a bit too pushy.

@SawzAll forward  this list to Alexander ... Those torsos buff is a must ! 
In general I am saving some good hopes for the balance changes ...Alex havent bring out something yet ...means he is doing a serius work ...BUT time will saw ...

I completely agree with this 
Thanks for all of the advice guys!! @L4K3 @firewater789 @Shoultz262 @TALΩS  So basically what I’m taking away is that EMP could use nerf (I agree, but not right away because it’s keeping energy alive right now), some physical weapons need a nerf, and probably my favourite part, clan wars (and I assume that your statement extended to Titans as well) need buff, and frantics could be looked at as well. Honestly, I don’t believe that frantics currently pose as much of a danger given the nature of good physical builds now, but it could definitely be looked at! 😊 Anyone else have any more ideas?

Okay, so I want honest opinions on this. Not opinions on if you like it, but honest opinions on if this could help make rebalancing the game easier. Okay, here we go:
1. Heat and energy mods could be nerfed
before you immediately disagree, please read through my reasoning. I see lots of people coming at phys and saying that individual items need a nerf, which is true in some cases. However, a simpler solution to finding exactly how much to nerf/buff every item in the game, what if we just increased the effectiveness of heat and energy mechs to a state where they can also be competitive at r1?
 
2. Make phys armour breakers require energy
I find that phys mechs in general rip right through most energy mechs, specifically the current 4.2k meta that runs at least 1 (often times 2) armour breaker. Against en mechs which usually have lower hp, it’s quite hard to compete. 
 
3. Make skill and time more important, not just money spent.
I believe that an easy way to do this would be to increase the amount of buff gained from divining an item. For extremely p2w players, they are able to obtain op items much more easily, and quickly implement them in their own builds and easily outclass players that have played for years, within sometimes a short few months. Fortunately, the greatest difference between these players lies in their divine items. If the divine tier upgrade was boosted to a point where it was more helpful, it would give experienced players an edge, and make it harder for p2w players to compete at top ranks immediately. 
 
4. Buff E+ items
This change would mean that those items you worked hard to upgrade in the early days would no longer be useless. The biggest benefit to this is that we would be able to see much more variation in arena, and make the game more interesting! 
 
 
Okay, I may have oversimplified some of the issues that I roughly addressed here, but I’d love to hear everyone’s opinions on each of these points if possible! The goal isn’t necessarily for my ideas to all be implemented, more to discuss possible solutions to help improve this game that we all love. 
 
Cheers! 🙂
Alex aka BossParody

@BossParody thanks for the post !

1)  .....Boss , have on mind that not all the phys players are en-free counters .
Rounder phys have really hard times !!!!! They had , and they still have .
So I think the phys counters solution is somewhere else. 
Perhaps to not exsists on the arena counters ? 
This is my solution ...or rounders or pure en frees  due to arena filter ...this is the easiest balance solution towards me .

2) In case that rounder mechs have better chances through balances I wouldnt say no to make armor brakers to cost energy .
But remmeber ...rounder phys had problem and they still have problem ! so i dont think its really the time to make armor breakers cost en .

3) -

4) I agree ! E items needs buff !!! ....specifically weight reduce , for be able someone to make a counter to counters build . Try to make a rounder /counter ...you will see that you have no chances due to weight .
But definitelly the E torsos needs the hpsn buff that @SawzAll recomended .

 

@SawzAll ,  I made some tests ...I think your recomendation are  VERY accurate ! 
This list looks really ok !!! 

Heavy Gauss Cannon

Frantic Brute II

 ( Its a joke )

Using math, I have a proposal on how much to buff torsos in order for them to continue to be competitive against the "Thanos" ("monkey") torsos. 
This should, in theory, fix what appears to be an imbalance of the importance of raw hit points (like for example why almost no top ranked physical player uses Hollow Spectral).  However, this is using math and statistics, so actual further testing would need to be conducted to see if this is a good idea or would hurt the game.
Also, this may cause us to have to reconsider how these torsos work in terms of ascending to Divine.  Statistically, the new hit points are calculated in such a way that the "Thanos" torsos are not immediately outclassed.  They are still, using these stats, better on paper (i.e. the target score, which is not provided, is 6.2 rather than 6.58 for the Thanos torsos), so that hopefully this won't piss off everyone who worked so hard to max out their Thanos torso.
Please weigh in on the stats I've provided.  I'm only suggesting buffing hit points, and leaving all other stats (energy, resistance, etc) alone.
NAME RARITY TYPE LVL NEW HP OLD HP BUFF Fractured Heat Armor Divine HEAT Max 1786 1786 0 Rusty Energy Armor Divine ENRG Max 1786 1786 0 Hollow Spectral Armor Divine PHYS Max 1678 1678 0 EnergyFree Armor Divine PHYS Max 1441 1441 0 Avenger Divine PHYS Max 1473 1306 167 Battery Armor Divine PHYS Max 1299 1284 15 Energy Battery Armor Divine ENRG Max 1182 1177 5 Flame Battery Armor Divine HEAT Max 1193 1177 16 Sabertooth Divine HEAT Max 1308 1219 89 Zarkares Divine HEAT Max 1323 1177 146 Archimond Divine PHYS Max 1267 1152 115 Brutality Divine HEAT Max 1199 1070 129 Lightning Platinum Vest Divine ENRG Max 1168 1054 114 Molten Platinum Vest Divine HEAT Max 1168 1054 114 Naga Divine ENRG Max 1174 1017 157 Sith Divine ENRG Max 1122 963 159 Windigo Divine HEAT Max 1180 1017 163 Nightmare Divine HEAT Max 1055 910 145 Interceptor Divine PHYS Max 1065 884 181 Hardened Platinum Vest Divine PHYS Max 1140 960 180 Grim Reaper Divine ENRG Max 1068 910 158

At my level, I haven't seen any advantages yet.  But sure, I'm not a high ranking player yet.
Given the prevalence of TPM in computer and phone design, I tentatively, cautiously, recommend the PC software and the app read the TPM ID.  That way, even if someone is using a proxy, the machine code that's using it can be read and compared.  That way certain behavior (if there is some alt account trickery going on) can be minimized, if Gato Games wants to do something about it.
I think this is a conversation where, philosophically, Gato Games will have to decide what they want to do.  Alt account detection could become a "cat and mouse" game where proxy use and TPM ID masking could go back and forth.  This could go on forever.  It's up to Gato Games to decide what level they want to take it, what level is productive and what is not.
I would recommend that it's not a "yes or no" situation.  I would say instead that those who are using alt accounts to the benefit of Gato Games should be allowed to continue doing so, even being "validated" as being good players over time.  Then if they are good players and aren't using their alt to tamper with arena stats or whatever they're doing, be given the privilege to move items back and forth.  Because, again, there are multiple valid meta if you look at the top 10.  I personally would have one account with a truly energy-free config, then my current config that will eventually become dual valiant energy, heat hugger, and CleverJumper physical.  My alt account would have an energy free.  I can't think of any current meta right now but my alt would have some of them.
And if they would move towards giving me, someone who doesn't hack or arena tamper, the right to move items in between, I'd subscribe both accounts to the $5/month thing.
I think the alt account thing, whether good or bad, is more based on the person doing it and what they use it for than the concept itself.  I can't say the concept of alt accounts is good or bad, so banning them all I think is bad.  But I can see some people using them for bad, so I think it's the player being evil, not that alt accounts are themselves evil.

Not bad ...on the limits .
And yes I agree stats to remain the same .
But yes right , they need at least 200hps buff plus !
Practically  this buff wont make em usable I think .
Thanks !

...you would be a good political campaign manager. What I´ve seen since Gato took over are good intentions and many promises, but the matter seems to be much discussed and the changes are not seen. Admins (Alexander) promised us a change  before the end of the year (oh sorry, deadline is January 3, we´re in the extension period). It didnt happen yet.
According to what I see on the Arena there is more and more phys build, because the supremacy of phys is notorious, I would say scandalous. So when most buyers leave the credit card building phys, then you change the priority. I don't see much interest in any balance at the moment.
I'm not a weak player, on the contrary, I´ve some of the strongest heat builds in the game. But even with that, every week I find it harder to get to rank 1. 4000 HP free energy builds and trolling have ruined the game. About trolling, I´ve built a crap energy troll and it works better than with balanced energy. To see how bad things are, building troll is more profitable than making a balanced mech.

Since for the administration what matters is to obtain more money, if the purpose is met, for them the game is fine. So as long as their profits are stable, why would do anything to balance the game? Free energy phys with 4000 HP that have made ball heat & energy builds bother you? And well ... if it bothers you, buy more and build a free energy phys ... that's the way they think!
Your reasons may be very legitimate to you. But they don't ask you why you do it, the important thing is that you do it.
 
Happy New Year for u too!

This is not entirely correct Wep. I do purchase items that are potentially interesting for me. 100$ here and there is pocket money for me. This allows me to keep doing what i love the most in the game, building, working in the workshop. 
Its a selfish pleasure, most things i build arent even meant to be top notch, just to tick my checklist. It is by no mean a support to the game neither a desire to perform in arena. I couldnt care less to take part in the current brainless meta and unbalances. I just fancy nice builds that fit my standards.
I can build those abominations of physical mechs, i decide not to, not my thing to build shet mechs.
I can field multiple OP accounts, i decide not to. Id rather let them sleep, not my thing to just ponzi up a main account.
I dont think this makes me an hypocrite, im just a selfish kunt taking what there is to take for me. Occasionaly bursting the balls of the archtects/actors of the here described shamefull events. Also a hobby for me.
All the best for 2021 Nancy.

As the time goes by being on this game , I realise that the multiple accounts IPs get more and more .
The multiple accounts gets multiplied with very quick rythms they grow up like mushrooms , especially the past 2 months !!!
People that quit or  stop play this game occasionally , gives their accounts to  other players .
This leads many many many    players to control 2-3 even 5 accounts ,
many top clans to have 1 more spare clan ( x24 players ) under their control .
In extention this situation have as  result , clans to have ''spies'' on another clans .
Clans to have spare accounts to boost their APs at the end of the season ,and so on ...
And all this situation to lead into a rotten inviropment inside the game .
Of course incomes for Gato are the same, stable  !
But at the same time the game looses more and more its character .
Clans and situations are leaded by 5/10 IPs .

Gradually , in this game we would not know who is who .....we wont be able to seperate the cheaters from the healthy accounts .
And that will be a problem not only to the game entertaining BUT to the Gato team itself ....cheaters and healthy accounts will get mixed even moreee !!! and it will be too difficult for the team to restore the smoothness .

So I suggest to gato and  @Alexander to code the game in such way that only one account to be controlled under one specific IP .
The multiple accounts matter doesnt gives any incomes . 
Any pleasure .
From the other hand makes the game been hostage  under this situation .
Personally I dont see any possitive on this ...the opposite !

What about you ?


 

This multi account thing made the arena very painfull and almost totally devoid of interest.
It turned out to become who is the most proficient in ponzi schemes building.
It also indicates a very low degree of competitivity in the literal meaning of it. "I multi account because others do and because i can" is a miserable excuze, its all personal choices.
There is no real solutions to this, its technicaly easy to do, management doesnt have any issue with it, most players  look for more AP rather than interesting battles/seasons.

I wish anyone has acces to 1 single account, all this alts are killing the game.
Get an alt account, hunt your enemies, clear the field, boost your main account.
Thia pathetic way to be needs to stop, still there are people who don't believe it's possible, really funny.
Thank you for opening the thread, whoever doesn't like the idea to play 1 and only account is going to rain mad on you 😉
But i support you.

As the time goes by being on this game , I realise that the multiple accounts IPs get more and more .
The multiple accounts gets multiplied with very quick rythms they grow up like mushrooms , especially the past 2 months !!!
People that quit or  stop play this game occasionally , gives their accounts to  other players .
This leads many many many    players to control 2-3 even 5 accounts ,
many top clans to have 1 more spare clan ( x24 players ) under their control .
In extention this situation have as  result , clans to have ''spies'' on another clans .
Clans to have spare accounts to boost their APs at the end of the season ,and so on ...
And all this situation to lead into a rotten inviropment inside the game .
Of course incomes for Gato are the same, stable  !
But at the same time the game looses more and more its character .
Clans and situations are leaded by 5/10 IPs .

Gradually , in this game we would not know who is who .....we wont be able to seperate the cheaters from the healthy accounts .
And that will be a problem not only to the game entertaining BUT to the Gato team itself ....cheaters and healthy accounts will get mixed even moreee !!! and it will be too difficult for the team to restore the smoothness .

So I suggest to gato and  @Alexander to code the game in such way that only one account to be controlled under one specific IP .
The multiple accounts matter doesnt gives any incomes . 
Any pleasure .
From the other hand makes the game been hostage  under this situation .
Personally I dont see any possitive on this ...the opposite !

What about you ?


 

I think the same TOS (updated version) solves the issue:

 
Here it says "establishing Users for the sole purpose of transferring Game Resources to Your other accounts."
That´s, you can have multiple users or multiple accounts, as long as you don't use them to transfer resources.
 
It doesn´t state anything regarding the use of alt accounts to manipulate Arena.
 
 

Friendrich Nietzche is my most favorite thinker as well @Swag
I am glad to know is your favourite as well 😉 

I think it's easier to add a report button in the game with a "Alt Account abuse" or somethign like that, if an account gets multiple reports from different people, take a look at his play style and ban if precise

I think we're all in agreement on:
1) Alt accounts COULD be useful if they weren't designed for arena manipulation
2) Alt accounts are bad because of arena manipulation

My comments:
- #1 would be nice to have; plenty of people get bored with a "main" account and want to have some fun at lower levels.
- #2 is a problem that's really hard to solve (mainly because of VPNs - no way to track who owns what in a scalable way). Additionally, this is a really, really minor problem in the grand scheme of things (and this really only effects the top ~30 players, so less than 0.0001% of the game)

My view on potential "solutions":
A) ban alts for everyone (somehow - still no real answer as to how this could be done) - hurt vast majority of players who play alts in innocent way; Gato loses revenue to please a few players
B) allow alts for everyone (arena manipulation is issue very top players will have to deal with - as they always have since inception); Gato makes most money this way
C) try to manually ban alts for bad actors (super time intensive). This would be ideal - perhaps give a warning to abusers first (as it's grey area of whether arena manipulation is against any rule); ban if they continue to do it. However for C - I will say it's hard to tell what exactly counts as arena manipulation. If an account is shared with multiple people and stays in a different clan the whole time, how do you know they're "feeding" wins vs. just losing (intentional or otherwise). Also hard to get get sufficient burden of evidence as there's almost none on the player side perspective.
Personally, I think B is the best approach. It's the easiest, cleanest, and best solution for majority of player base. It also brings in more revenue for Gato. C sounds like a headache and A will just hurt most players and Gato. Just my 2 cents.

Welcome to the new SuperMechs community.
 
We create a new clan thread to find new players and to promote clan activities.
Due to the fact that the Trolls fight every week for the highest place on the podium - we have certain requirements for potential newcomers. If anyone is interested - leave a message here and we will discuss all aspects in private communication.
Feel free to offer yourself. If you need help building .. if you want to be competitive - you're on the right track.
We also have a little secret - we don't know what an S  box looks like .........
 
We will gladly accept new members to our family and give them the joy of playing and communicating (medal pixels guaranteed)
Regards
Trolls Team

 

True @Nefertary Meriten-Mut I was just thinking that might become something really better  on SM compare to the rest of teh games because I think SM havent go sooo deep on flip coin playing style...it still have the potential to change and be a top choise .
But I agree with what you said totally .
I am not sure whne the time will come and I will choose a better graphics game that will have the same flip coin character .
Only the addiction of many years playing sm holds me and a few useless hopes 🙂
Eitherway all fine 🙂