Torso Mass Buff Thread

[SawzAll]

Using math, I have a proposal on how much to buff torsos in order for them to continue to be competitive against the "Thanos" ("monkey") torsos. 

This should, in theory, fix what appears to be an imbalance of the importance of raw hit points (like for example why almost no top ranked physical player uses Hollow Spectral).  However, this is using math and statistics, so actual further testing would need to be conducted to see if this is a good idea or would hurt the game.

Also, this may cause us to have to reconsider how these torsos work in terms of ascending to Divine.  Statistically, the new hit points are calculated in such a way that the "Thanos" torsos are not immediately outclassed.  They are still, using these stats, better on paper (i.e. the target score, which is not provided, is 6.2 rather than 6.58 for the Thanos torsos), so that hopefully this won't piss off everyone who worked so hard to max out their Thanos torso.

Please weigh in on the stats I've provided.  I'm only suggesting buffing hit points, and leaving all other stats (energy, resistance, etc) alone.

NAME	RARITY	TYPE	LVL	NEW HP	OLD HP	BUFF
Fractured Heat Armor	Divine	HEAT	Max	1786	1786	0
Rusty Energy Armor	Divine	ENRG	Max	1786	1786	0
Hollow Spectral Armor	Divine	PHYS	Max	1678	1678	0
EnergyFree Armor	Divine	PHYS	Max	1441	1441	0
Avenger	Divine	PHYS	Max	1473	1306	167
Battery Armor	Divine	PHYS	Max	1299	1284	15
Energy Battery Armor	Divine	ENRG	Max	1182	1177	5
Flame Battery Armor	Divine	HEAT	Max	1193	1177	16
Sabertooth	Divine	HEAT	Max	1308	1219	89
Zarkares	Divine	HEAT	Max	1323	1177	146
Archimond	Divine	PHYS	Max	1267	1152	115
Brutality	Divine	HEAT	Max	1199	1070	129
Lightning Platinum Vest	Divine	ENRG	Max	1168	1054	114
Molten Platinum Vest	Divine	HEAT	Max	1168	1054	114
Naga	Divine	ENRG	Max	1174	1017	157
Sith	Divine	ENRG	Max	1122	963	159
Windigo	Divine	HEAT	Max	1180	1017	163
Nightmare	Divine	HEAT	Max	1055	910	145
Interceptor	Divine	PHYS	Max	1065	884	181
Hardened Platinum Vest	Divine	PHYS	Max	1140	960	180
Grim Reaper	Divine	ENRG	Max	1068	910	158

Edited December 31, 2020 by SawzAll (see edit history)

[CDR_Xavier]

On 12/31/2020 at 11:39 PM, SawzAll said:

I'm only suggesting buffing hit points

Very promising.

You can vaguely see how each torso is considered "strong" and "weak" by looking at the amount of buff needed

And in fact, I think rusty and fractured should be NERFED back down to the hollow spectral armor's values bc they weigh the same; they have the same rarity so nerfing them don't make them worse cash carrots

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But again, TS needed cash carrots. but they could at least buff the carrot torsos (e.g. vests)

Do remember, however, that some torsos here trade various other stats (e.g. resistance) in for hitpoints; considering THAT, the plot thickens

But I agree. Most of these torsos need a buff to make them compete against the "thanos" torso.

But again, more than half of this is considered "f2p" and, somehow, should be considered (or rendered) inferior to those "premium" items. It's a idea I strongly disagree but seem to be embraced by (most) others as p2w is much more common in this new forum.

(why "thanos" torso? bc it had "big beard" and square face?)

[fig]

Not bad ...on the limits .
And yes I agree stats to remain the same .
But yes right , they need at least 200hps buff plus !
Practically  this buff wont make em usable I think .
Thanks !

Edited January 1, 2021 by TALΩS (see edit history)

[SawzAll]

1 hour ago, CDR_Xavier said:

And in fact, I think rusty and fractured should be NERFED back down to the hollow spectral armor's values bc they weigh the same; they have the same rarity so nerfing them don't make them worse cash carrots

I don't agree.  I think nerfs are very unpopular because they tend to make people lose their hard work.  And I think it's very logical that people would be unhappy about that.

That's why I think the best solution is to balance things by buffing other things, and only buffing things conservatively.  I don't want to accidentally make a torso more powerful than the torsos that already dominate things.  I just want to make them more viable options.

You'll note that I was conservative in that I only made statistically equal to energy-free armor (EFA) statistically at least.  There's someone playing an EFA in the top 10.

Edited January 1, 2021 by SawzAll (see edit history)

[fig]

@SawzAll ,  I made some tests ...I think your recomendation are  VERY accurate ! 
This list looks really ok !!! 

Edited January 2, 2021 by TALΩS (see edit history)

[SawzAll]

3 minutes ago, TALΩS said:

@SawzAll ,  I made some tests ...I think your recomendation is very accurate ! 
This list looks really ok !!! 

Thanks, I appreciate it!  

[fig]

@SawzAll forward  this list to Alexander ... Those torsos buff is a must ! 
In general I am saving some good hopes for the balance changes ...Alex havent bring out something yet ...means he is doing a serius work ...BUT time will saw ...

Edited January 2, 2021 by TALΩS (see edit history)

[SawzAll]

10 hours ago, TALΩS said:

@SawzAll forward  this list to Alexander ... Those torsos buff is a must ! 
In general I am saving some good hopes for the balance changes ...Alex havent bring out something yet ...means he is doing a serius work ...BUT time will saw ...

Alexander sees things on here.  I'll let him make the decision.  I think forwarding it to him might be a bit too pushy.

[Androphonia]

I still think nightmare needs to be buffed more.

Technically sith is a bit better than nightmare, and in history energy and heat counterparts have always had extremely similar stats, so why not increase nightmare's hp by 11 to match up with the new sith buff?

 

its not like this buff is particularily useful but why not